On Friday's broadcast of MSNBC's "Morning Joe," Hunter Biden attorney Abbe Lowell said that President Joe Biden did talk to his son on the phone at business meetings, but he "speaks to his children and his grandchildren frequently, almost every day, in some cases." And his conversations were just chitchat about things like the weather. Lowell also argued that Hunter Biden "is not the person who's simply out there having people write checks for no reason. He's a capable, educated, experienced person." But people have been using their connections and names for opportunities for a long time, "that's what happens. And the most important point is that it's not improper and it's not illegal."