On Wednesday's broadcast of MSNBC's "MTP Daily," former DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson stated that the numbers of encounters at the southern border are "pretty high" and "very, very large numbers. They're unsustainable," and that Title 42 is a way to keep those numbers down. Johnson also said that, during his tenure as DHS Secretary, when the numbers were about a quarter of what they are now, "that, politically, felt like the world was coming to an end."