Dan Held is an old-school Bitcoiner who has been in the space since the very beginning; he sold his price app ZeroBlock to Blockchain.info in 2013. But while he's largely seen as a Bitcoin maximalist by his half a million fans on Twitter, he tells Dan Roberts and Stacy Elliott he's a "permissive" and "open-minded" Bitcoiner: he's watching the Ethereum Merge closely, and he admits Ethereum's move to proof of stake will put pressure on Bitcoin's energy use. Watch and make sure to subscribe to the gm podcast on Apple or Spotify.